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Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 22 Janvier 2010, 01:22Hi!!
why some people are saying that liberkey is illegal??
some of my posts to other forums deleted because i mention about your great service
and also i get some deleted links pointing to liberkey.com (again posted to some other forums)
again mods say that you are illegal site with illegal software
what is happening?
why some people are saying that liberkey is illegal??
some of my posts to other forums deleted because i mention about your great service
and also i get some deleted links pointing to liberkey.com (again posted to some other forums)
again mods say that you are illegal site with illegal software
what is happening?
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 23 Janvier 2010, 14:21Hello,
LiberKey is a legal product which becomes more and more popular everywhere through constant innovation and improvement.
And this success has scared a competitor (John T. Haller from PortableApps) who does not hesitate to use permanent defamation.
In fact, at the beginning, there is an incident :
The email from John T. Haller to LiberKey
On 7/04/2008, we received an email from J.T. Haller (portableapps.com) asking for an immediate halt to the distribution of PortableApps applications for breach of License (Reminder: This involved 14 programs issued from PortableApps among the 212 available at that time in the LiberKey 2.6).
Version 2.6 (which included for the very first time our new technology of software updating via Internet) was released in french AND, for the first time, in english.
The rather aggressive form of this demand was a shock because at no time did our work aimed to harm anyone. We thought instead that we were participating to a larger distribution of software, especially since PortableApps did not present a French version.
Let us be clear: What we do not dispute is that the removal (only to match the capacity of the USB keys at that time) of the directory "Other", which contains the sources, had been a mistake that we suddenly took conscience of.
However, and conversely to J.T. Haller's assertion, at no time, we appropriated the work of PortableApps.
For each of the 14 PortableApps applications:
• original binary launcher was delivered unchanged
• help.html file (which refers to the Website PortableApps) was always present, without any modification
• a simple visit to the forum shows, without any ambiguity, this approach since we were putting links to the PortableApps Website (eg notepad++).
What was our reaction to this email?
Upon receipt of the email, the most appropriate response and consistent with our ethics has been to stop immediately all LiberKey downloads.
We then developed our own solution of portabilization which was based on a technology totally different from what currently existed in this field.
Once finalized, we released the LiberKey 3.0 and reactivated the download area.
As we had immediately reacted to his request, we were very surprised to observe J.T. Haller's reaction.
J.T. Haller's started a disinformation compaign.
It begins with the legality of LiberKey.
The assertions are violent and J.T. Haller starts with an "It's an illegal package". The tone is set. Everyone has seen the development of an orchestrated campaign to undermine the LiberKey. With the help of "copy and paste", without any contact with the LiberKey team to seek clarification on certain points, any Mr Smith posted in comments of articles about the LiberKey, attacks the more virulent than the other.
Based on the keywords "GPL violation", "Illegal" (and we know the impact of such a word), the LiberKey team was denounced as "a bunch of crooks".
One even saw Web "journalists" relaying these accusations without even taking the trouble to contact us ("LiberKey does not answer" seems to be a useful excuse, in fact only one has taken the time to contact us).
These messages had immediate impact: the articles concerning LiberKey were removed and when left, they badly deteriorated our image.
But let us go back to J.T. Haller. Curiously, a few days after posting his claims on his website, the original post has changed. It shows the same date and same time (!?), but obviously advisers have convinced J.T. Haller to calm down. The article becomes "Avoid LiberKey" and one can now read series of "it looks like", "apparently" and "probably". We have archived many of these manipulations, but it would be tedious and unnecessary to list them all here.
In what capacity J.T. Haller has the right to use these classic tricks of the legal propaganda to disseminate the worst horrors concerning the LiberKey?
Who is he to do such things? He has absolutely no mandate from editors whose software are present in LiberKey. They hold copyright and only them have the right to debate of legality when it comes to the use of their product.
As mentioned in our License, we ask authorization to authors when it is requested. Our ethics is established and our direct relationship with the holders of copyright is clear. Our forums illustrate that point.
We were much more surprised when some authors / editors alerted us about anonymous emails they had received about our project. It was a compilation of all allegations from J. T. Haller with often a conclusion: "Boycott them!".
It is important to add that our relations with editors are independent from the type of license. It can be GPL, freeware or others. Every week we receive several requests to add application to LiberKey. It comes from users but often directly from editors with GPL or other licenses.
But it wasn’t enough for J.T Haller. After defamation on legal aspect, he pursued but on a technical aspect .
On the functionalities of LiberKey
In his posts (forum PortableApps), the "features" of LiberKey are ridiculed. Is it based on an analysis of LiberKey, after installing it? Obviously, not.
For example, J.T. Haller lies when he says that our file association system KeyFilesAssoc is nothing but the CAFE software ("made by others" as he says). A simple installation of the LiberKey would have shown him that our product has nothing to do with the software he mentioned.
To assess technically a product without even having installed and tested it is puzzling.
We really don’t have time to list all these kind of allegations, they are too numerous.
He claims we have done nothing.
But the LiberKey Portabilizer, LiberKey Creator, LiberKey Version Checker, LiberKey KeyFileAssoc, LiberKey Installer, LiberKey Uninstaller, LiberKey Apps Closer, LiberKey Portable Desktop Shortcut, LiberKey Config and much more..., where do they come from?
We can only notice that, in fact, our innovations in the portable field are now followed by portableapps.
Two years ago, we provided a live updater which works.
Considering downloads and updates, we have been serving over 150 millions applications with our own servers (without counting downloads from other sources). Despite PortableApps efforts to halt the LiberKey progression, it seems that users are making their choice.
Conclusion
An honest discussion is acceptable but a smear campaign is not.
John T. Haller, as the leader of PortableApps, is responsible for this shameful campaign.
Repeating the same lies should force us to make systematic responses on each forum. To answer each of these repetitive allegations would be a huge waste of time.
Our goal is to improve our solution for users and not to waste such valuable time.
The LiberKey Project
LiberKey is a legal product which becomes more and more popular everywhere through constant innovation and improvement.
And this success has scared a competitor (John T. Haller from PortableApps) who does not hesitate to use permanent defamation.
In fact, at the beginning, there is an incident :
The email from John T. Haller to LiberKey
On 7/04/2008, we received an email from J.T. Haller (portableapps.com) asking for an immediate halt to the distribution of PortableApps applications for breach of License (Reminder: This involved 14 programs issued from PortableApps among the 212 available at that time in the LiberKey 2.6).
Version 2.6 (which included for the very first time our new technology of software updating via Internet) was released in french AND, for the first time, in english.
The rather aggressive form of this demand was a shock because at no time did our work aimed to harm anyone. We thought instead that we were participating to a larger distribution of software, especially since PortableApps did not present a French version.
Let us be clear: What we do not dispute is that the removal (only to match the capacity of the USB keys at that time) of the directory "Other", which contains the sources, had been a mistake that we suddenly took conscience of.
However, and conversely to J.T. Haller's assertion, at no time, we appropriated the work of PortableApps.
For each of the 14 PortableApps applications:
• original binary launcher was delivered unchanged
• help.html file (which refers to the Website PortableApps) was always present, without any modification
• a simple visit to the forum shows, without any ambiguity, this approach since we were putting links to the PortableApps Website (eg notepad++).
What was our reaction to this email?
Upon receipt of the email, the most appropriate response and consistent with our ethics has been to stop immediately all LiberKey downloads.
We then developed our own solution of portabilization which was based on a technology totally different from what currently existed in this field.
Once finalized, we released the LiberKey 3.0 and reactivated the download area.
As we had immediately reacted to his request, we were very surprised to observe J.T. Haller's reaction.
J.T. Haller's started a disinformation compaign.
It begins with the legality of LiberKey.
The assertions are violent and J.T. Haller starts with an "It's an illegal package". The tone is set. Everyone has seen the development of an orchestrated campaign to undermine the LiberKey. With the help of "copy and paste", without any contact with the LiberKey team to seek clarification on certain points, any Mr Smith posted in comments of articles about the LiberKey, attacks the more virulent than the other.
Based on the keywords "GPL violation", "Illegal" (and we know the impact of such a word), the LiberKey team was denounced as "a bunch of crooks".
One even saw Web "journalists" relaying these accusations without even taking the trouble to contact us ("LiberKey does not answer" seems to be a useful excuse, in fact only one has taken the time to contact us).
These messages had immediate impact: the articles concerning LiberKey were removed and when left, they badly deteriorated our image.
But let us go back to J.T. Haller. Curiously, a few days after posting his claims on his website, the original post has changed. It shows the same date and same time (!?), but obviously advisers have convinced J.T. Haller to calm down. The article becomes "Avoid LiberKey" and one can now read series of "it looks like", "apparently" and "probably". We have archived many of these manipulations, but it would be tedious and unnecessary to list them all here.
In what capacity J.T. Haller has the right to use these classic tricks of the legal propaganda to disseminate the worst horrors concerning the LiberKey?
Who is he to do such things? He has absolutely no mandate from editors whose software are present in LiberKey. They hold copyright and only them have the right to debate of legality when it comes to the use of their product.
As mentioned in our License, we ask authorization to authors when it is requested. Our ethics is established and our direct relationship with the holders of copyright is clear. Our forums illustrate that point.
We were much more surprised when some authors / editors alerted us about anonymous emails they had received about our project. It was a compilation of all allegations from J. T. Haller with often a conclusion: "Boycott them!".
It is important to add that our relations with editors are independent from the type of license. It can be GPL, freeware or others. Every week we receive several requests to add application to LiberKey. It comes from users but often directly from editors with GPL or other licenses.
But it wasn’t enough for J.T Haller. After defamation on legal aspect, he pursued but on a technical aspect .
On the functionalities of LiberKey
In his posts (forum PortableApps), the "features" of LiberKey are ridiculed. Is it based on an analysis of LiberKey, after installing it? Obviously, not.
For example, J.T. Haller lies when he says that our file association system KeyFilesAssoc is nothing but the CAFE software ("made by others" as he says). A simple installation of the LiberKey would have shown him that our product has nothing to do with the software he mentioned.
To assess technically a product without even having installed and tested it is puzzling.
We really don’t have time to list all these kind of allegations, they are too numerous.
He claims we have done nothing.
But the LiberKey Portabilizer, LiberKey Creator, LiberKey Version Checker, LiberKey KeyFileAssoc, LiberKey Installer, LiberKey Uninstaller, LiberKey Apps Closer, LiberKey Portable Desktop Shortcut, LiberKey Config and much more..., where do they come from?
We can only notice that, in fact, our innovations in the portable field are now followed by portableapps.
Two years ago, we provided a live updater which works.
Considering downloads and updates, we have been serving over 150 millions applications with our own servers (without counting downloads from other sources). Despite PortableApps efforts to halt the LiberKey progression, it seems that users are making their choice.
Conclusion
An honest discussion is acceptable but a smear campaign is not.
John T. Haller, as the leader of PortableApps, is responsible for this shameful campaign.
Repeating the same lies should force us to make systematic responses on each forum. To answer each of these repetitive allegations would be a huge waste of time.
Our goal is to improve our solution for users and not to waste such valuable time.
The LiberKey Project
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 23 Janvier 2010, 16:20thanks very much for your detailed answer opendev!!!
things are clear now
keep up the good work !
things are clear now
keep up the good work !
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 23 Janvier 2010, 18:27(edited because opendev asked to only post english or translate to allow "everyone" to read)
Thank you for taking time to answer. You talked a few weeks ago about an offical answer. It seemed to me it was a good idea but the answer never came out ... until now : thank you.
<french>Merci beaucoup pour avoir pris le temps de répondre. Vous aviez abordé le sujet d'une réaction officielle il y a quelque temps, ce qui m'avait semblé une bonne idée à l'époque mais je ne l'avais jamais vu venir. C'est maintenant chose faite, je vous en remercie.</french>
A wonderfull clarification : I totally agree with you :
- everyone does some mistakes and you admited (and fixed) yours
- some features does not exists anywhere else LiberKey so how "copy" could be possible !
- you always improve your product while PortableApps.com users are waiting for beta 4 for 6 months
<french>Magnifique clarrification :
- tout le monde peut faire des erreurs et vous avez admis et corrigé les vôtres
- certaines fonctionnalités n'existent pas ailleurs donc comment parlé de copie ?
- vous améliorez votre produit tout le temps pendant que les utilisateurs de PortableApps attendant la beta 4 depuis 6 mois</french>
Your work is huge (not only because of the number of applications you provide), your product is innovative (end beautiful) and you take care about your user's point of view. With so much "pro", you will go far. (maybe it's what J.T.Haller is angry about). Until now, I used both LiberKey and PortableApps. By now, I'll only use LiberKey.
<french>Votre travail est considérable (pas que par le nombre d'application), votre produit toujours innovant (et beau) et surtout, vous prenez en compte vos utilisateurs. Avec autant d'atouts, vous irez loin ! (et c'est justement ce qui doit le gêner ). Jusqu'alors utilisateur partagé LiberKey / PortableApps, je vais maintenant migrer en 100% LiberKey.</french>
Good luck
<i>Bonne continuation</i>
Guillaume
Thank you for taking time to answer. You talked a few weeks ago about an offical answer. It seemed to me it was a good idea but the answer never came out ... until now : thank you.
<french>Merci beaucoup pour avoir pris le temps de répondre. Vous aviez abordé le sujet d'une réaction officielle il y a quelque temps, ce qui m'avait semblé une bonne idée à l'époque mais je ne l'avais jamais vu venir. C'est maintenant chose faite, je vous en remercie.</french>
A wonderfull clarification : I totally agree with you :
- everyone does some mistakes and you admited (and fixed) yours
- some features does not exists anywhere else LiberKey so how "copy" could be possible !
- you always improve your product while PortableApps.com users are waiting for beta 4 for 6 months
<french>Magnifique clarrification :
- tout le monde peut faire des erreurs et vous avez admis et corrigé les vôtres
- certaines fonctionnalités n'existent pas ailleurs donc comment parlé de copie ?
- vous améliorez votre produit tout le temps pendant que les utilisateurs de PortableApps attendant la beta 4 depuis 6 mois</french>
Your work is huge (not only because of the number of applications you provide), your product is innovative (end beautiful) and you take care about your user's point of view. With so much "pro", you will go far. (maybe it's what J.T.Haller is angry about). Until now, I used both LiberKey and PortableApps. By now, I'll only use LiberKey.
<french>Votre travail est considérable (pas que par le nombre d'application), votre produit toujours innovant (et beau
) et surtout, vous prenez en compte vos utilisateurs. Avec autant d'atouts, vous irez loin ! (et c'est justement ce qui doit le gêner ). Jusqu'alors utilisateur partagé LiberKey / PortableApps, je vais maintenant migrer en 100% LiberKey.</french>Good luck
<i>Bonne continuation</i>
Guillaume
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 26 Janvier 2010, 15:00J.T. Haller shows like a pure kid hangry at opendev doing a better job than him, he will probably grow up later
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 26 Janvier 2010, 22:23Thanks for this answer. I think it's clear now.
I deleted all my portableapps a while back when I heard about Mr Haller defamation.
Keep up the good work!
I deleted all my portableapps a while back when I heard about Mr Haller defamation.
Keep up the good work!
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 29 Janvier 2010, 02:06OpenDev, you are twisting John T. Haller's words into lies. Your software here at liberkey is illegal. You have included Mozilla Firefox without permission of Mozilla in your suite and a bunch of other apps.
You're making John T. Haller seem like a lier and a baby, when on the other hand, he's more a man then the developers here are.
And PortableApps.com does indeed come in french! John and his contributors have been working hard on translations for years.
Your LiberKey suite is a GPL Violator. You've licensed great Open Source programs as Freeware into your suite. You cannot do that! If you wish to continue using Open Source and GPL programs in your illegal suite, then your suite has to be the same license as these programs too, you also must release your new source code as well.
Take a moment to carfully read the GPL Guidelines.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
Your LiberKey KeyFileAssoc is indeed a copy of eXpresso that many developers and friends have worked so hard on, while you just stole it and changed the GUI around.
You need permission from the original developers of these programs to release them as Portable Software in your suite, which is why this is illegal.
So, want to make your suite legal? Where's the source code for all these programs you've been tinkering with?
You're making John T. Haller seem like a lier and a baby, when on the other hand, he's more a man then the developers here are.
And PortableApps.com does indeed come in french! John and his contributors have been working hard on translations for years.
Your LiberKey suite is a GPL Violator. You've licensed great Open Source programs as Freeware into your suite. You cannot do that! If you wish to continue using Open Source and GPL programs in your illegal suite, then your suite has to be the same license as these programs too, you also must release your new source code as well.
Take a moment to carfully read the GPL Guidelines.
For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights. - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
Your LiberKey KeyFileAssoc is indeed a copy of eXpresso that many developers and friends have worked so hard on, while you just stole it and changed the GUI around.
You need permission from the original developers of these programs to release them as Portable Software in your suite, which is why this is illegal.
So, want to make your suite legal? Where's the source code for all these programs you've been tinkering with?
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 29 Janvier 2010, 13:15gluxon a écrit:OpenDev, you are twisting John T. Haller's words into lies. Your software here at liberkey is illegal.
We are not surprised by your attack. For more than a year, we have experienced this kind of defamation. This is the reason of our article but, obviously, you misread it.
gluxon a écrit: You have included Mozilla Firefox without permission of Mozilla in your suite and a bunch of other apps.
Once more, you copy / paste the same point.
You missed this part of our response : "He (J.T. Haller) has absolutely no mandate from editors whose software are present in LiberKey. They hold copyright and only them have the right to debate of legality when it comes to the use of their product."
You are simply doing the same thing.
gluxon a écrit:You're making John T. Haller seem like a lier
Yes, we confirm: he is a liar.
gluxon a écrit:Your LiberKey suite is a GPL Violator. You've licensed great Open Source programs as Freeware into your suite. You cannot do that! If you wish to continue using Open Source and GPL programs in your illegal suite, then your suite has to be the same license as these programs too, you also must release your new source code as well.
Take a moment to carfully read the GPL Guidelines.
Take a moment to carefully check what LiberKey is really doing, in particular in its catalog.
Each software comes with its associated license and source code (when necessary) is available directly on our servers.
Your LiberKey KeyFileAssoc is indeed a copy of eXpresso that many developers and friends have worked so hard on, while you just stole it and changed the GUI around.
You need permission from the original developers of these programs to release them as Portable Software in your suite, which is why this is illegal.
Once for all: KFA is a home made product. It is not a copy either of C.A.F.E. or C.A.F.E Mod (eXpresso). They use different techniques and do not offer the same functionalities. It is not difficult to verify! Your friends developpers cannot support such a lie (one more time originating from J.T. Haller).
IMPORTANT :
More generally, we consider this type of message as a typical duplication of what we have seen so many times on the Web. WE SHALL NOT ACCEPT IT ANY FURTHER.
From now on, any post of equivalent nature will be deleted.
An honest discussion is acceptable but a smear campaign is not.
LIBERKEY IS LEGAL.
The LiberKey Project
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 30 Janvier 2010, 00:49[modération par JP4U] Post removed as defamatory text
Re: Why people say that liberkey is illegal??
Posté: 30 Janvier 2010, 00:58gluxon a écrit:...
isnt the liberkey platform based on asuite which is open source?
just asking, dont know about these things
Anyway i love this project here because there are way more apps than portableapps and seems that apps opening faster to my computer with lk!
Just my opinion
I still like and use portableapps... no bad words, i just prefer liberkey